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		<title>By: paul walk&#8217;s weblog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Twittering about Facebook Fatigue</title>
		<link>http://blog.paulwalk.net/2007/08/17/facebook-opening-up/comment-page-1/#comment-746</link>
		<dc:creator>paul walk&#8217;s weblog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Twittering about Facebook Fatigue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 16:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] value it offered me was the status and news updates provided by my &#8216;Facebook friends&#8217;. The RSS output facility for these allowed me follow them without having to log in to the application proper. Of course, this [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] value it offered me was the status and news updates provided by my &#8216;Facebook friends&#8217;. The RSS output facility for these allowed me follow them without having to log in to the application proper. Of course, this [...]</p>
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		<title>By: paul walk&#8217;s weblog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; DataPortability - Facebook to play along</title>
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		<dc:creator>paul walk&#8217;s weblog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; DataPortability - Facebook to play along</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 09:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] view&#8217; advertising model. But Facebook has already found this difficult - witness the strange mistakes they made with RSS and the Beacon [...]</description>
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		<title>By: paul walk&#8217;s weblog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A river of gossip</title>
		<link>http://blog.paulwalk.net/2007/08/17/facebook-opening-up/comment-page-1/#comment-422</link>
		<dc:creator>paul walk&#8217;s weblog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A river of gossip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 18:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] it turns out, as I described recently, that I can get this information from Facebook in RSS format. Twitter also allows me to subscribe [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Predicting The Twitter Backlash &#171; UK Web Focus</title>
		<link>http://blog.paulwalk.net/2007/08/17/facebook-opening-up/comment-page-1/#comment-418</link>
		<dc:creator>Predicting The Twitter Backlash &#171; UK Web Focus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 07:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] isn&#8217;t this what the Facebook status field has sought to provide (although, as Paul Walk described recently, access to an RSS feed for the status field is freely available, so perhaps Facebook isn&#8217;t [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] isn&#8217;t this what the Facebook status field has sought to provide (although, as Paul Walk described recently, access to an RSS feed for the status field is freely available, so perhaps Facebook isn&#8217;t [...]</p>
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		<title>By: eFoundations</title>
		<link>http://blog.paulwalk.net/2007/08/17/facebook-opening-up/comment-page-1/#comment-417</link>
		<dc:creator>eFoundations</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Feeding, Facebook and privacy...&lt;/strong&gt;

Both here and, err, down the boozer, Andy and I have been critical of Facebook's failure to provide feeds out from Facebook, so that content created within Facebook can be piped in to other applications. Paul Walk, tipped off by...</description>
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<p>Both here and, err, down the boozer, Andy and I have been critical of Facebook&#8217;s failure to provide feeds out from Facebook, so that content created within Facebook can be piped in to other applications. Paul Walk, tipped off by&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Johnston</title>
		<link>http://blog.paulwalk.net/2007/08/17/facebook-opening-up/comment-page-1/#comment-421</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete Johnston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 10:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, Andy and I had noticed these feeds appearing.

I think you may be right about the privacy problem though. Do a search at Bloglines for "Facebook" in feed titles. Gulp. From a very quick skim of some of them, I suspect many of those people don't realise they've made their content public.

The Fb feeds should really be protected by HTTP authentication, I think, rather than by embedding the "key" in the URI.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, Andy and I had noticed these feeds appearing.</p>
<p>I think you may be right about the privacy problem though. Do a search at Bloglines for &#8220;Facebook&#8221; in feed titles. Gulp. From a very quick skim of some of them, I suspect many of those people don&#8217;t realise they&#8217;ve made their content public.</p>
<p>The Fb feeds should really be protected by HTTP authentication, I think, rather than by embedding the &#8220;key&#8221; in the URI.</p>
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		<title>By: paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2007 07:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that openness is a complex notion, with many subtleties. I think this issue with the RSS feeds in Facebook is a little more prosaic - they appear to have broken their own privacy model.

One interpretation of this situation is that if the idea of openness isn't 'baked in' to the system from the get-go, it might be quite difficult to add it at a later date....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that openness is a complex notion, with many subtleties. I think this issue with the RSS feeds in Facebook is a little more prosaic - they appear to have broken their own privacy model.</p>
<p>One interpretation of this situation is that if the idea of openness isn&#8217;t &#8216;baked in&#8217; to the system from the get-go, it might be quite difficult to add it at a later date&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 19:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#62; Have I betrayed the trust of my ‘friends’ by making such an RSS feed available?

Yes, you'll now be shunned by your former friends in your online social networks.  And don't you dare turn up to the pub on the 28 August :-)

Seriously though, as we discussed the aspect of openness is very complex mashup of technical issues and social and culturally specific expectations.

Perhaps Facebook is so successful because of its closed nature, and not despite of it?

And maybe our IT development community won't be capable of developing an alternative to Facebook because are beliefs and development approaches won't deliver services which will have the viral appeal to our users?

But maybe not.  My view is that we need to be open in our questioning and avoid sticking to established positions - as I think we (UKOLN, OSS Watch and Eduserv folk) in general are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; Have I betrayed the trust of my ‘friends’ by making such an RSS feed available?</p>
<p>Yes, you&#8217;ll now be shunned by your former friends in your online social networks.  And don&#8217;t you dare turn up to the pub on the 28 August <img src='http://blog.paulwalk.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Seriously though, as we discussed the aspect of openness is very complex mashup of technical issues and social and culturally specific expectations.</p>
<p>Perhaps Facebook is so successful because of its closed nature, and not despite of it?</p>
<p>And maybe our IT development community won&#8217;t be capable of developing an alternative to Facebook because are beliefs and development approaches won&#8217;t deliver services which will have the viral appeal to our users?</p>
<p>But maybe not.  My view is that we need to be open in our questioning and avoid sticking to established positions - as I think we (UKOLN, OSS Watch and Eduserv folk) in general are.</p>
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