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	<title>Comments on: OpenID and name authority</title>
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		<title>By: Gudmundur Thorisson</title>
		<link>http://blog.paulwalk.net/2009/01/22/openid-and-name-authority/comment-page-1/#comment-339</link>
		<dc:creator>Gudmundur Thorisson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 13:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>..continued: Or group recently launched a website around the subject of online identity for researchers. You may be interested in some of the scenarios explored there:

http://www.gen2phen.org/researcher-identification/researcher-identification-primer/tying-it-all-together</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>..continued: Or group recently launched a website around the subject of online identity for researchers. You may be interested in some of the scenarios explored there:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.gen2phen.org/researcher-identification/researcher-identification-primer/tying-it-all-together" rel="nofollow">http://www.gen2phen.org/researcher-identification/researcher-identification-primer/tying-it-all-together</a></p>
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		<title>By: Gudmundur Thorisson</title>
		<link>http://blog.paulwalk.net/2009/01/22/openid-and-name-authority/comment-page-1/#comment-340</link>
		<dc:creator>Gudmundur Thorisson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 13:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul. Thanks for an insightful article. I am in fact citing your article in my own forum post here!:

http://www.gen2phen.org/researcher-identification/comment/14

I couldn&#039;t agree with you more about the linking-up aspect of things, I am myself very optimistic of OpenID being the big enabler here.

You are right that a lot of the stuff we want to link up is indeed public. BUT, I think one of the commenters above is right in that there are a whole bunch of scenarios where one will want to link together public and private information, and this is exactly what the OpenID+OAuth combination brings to the table:

http://softwareas.com/oauth-openid-youre-barking-up-the-wrong-tree-if-you-think-theyre-the-same-thing</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul. Thanks for an insightful article. I am in fact citing your article in my own forum post here!:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.gen2phen.org/researcher-identification/comment/14" rel="nofollow">http://www.gen2phen.org/researcher-identification/comment/14</a></p>
<p>I couldn&#8217;t agree with you more about the linking-up aspect of things, I am myself very optimistic of OpenID being the big enabler here.</p>
<p>You are right that a lot of the stuff we want to link up is indeed public. BUT, I think one of the commenters above is right in that there are a whole bunch of scenarios where one will want to link together public and private information, and this is exactly what the OpenID+OAuth combination brings to the table:</p>
<p><a href="http://softwareas.com/oauth-openid-youre-barking-up-the-wrong-tree-if-you-think-theyre-the-same-thing" rel="nofollow">http://softwareas.com/oauth-openid-youre-barking-up-the-wrong-tree-if-you-think-theyre-the-same-thing</a></p>
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		<title>By: paul</title>
		<link>http://blog.paulwalk.net/2009/01/22/openid-and-name-authority/comment-page-1/#comment-338</link>
		<dc:creator>paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 10:54:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the Google Social Graph API is more concerned with making personal &lt;i&gt;networks&lt;/i&gt; sharable - this sort of activity might be one extension of what I&#039;m suggesting. I&#039;m really making a much simpler, less ambitious point about simple, user-controlled identifiers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the Google Social Graph API is more concerned with making personal <i>networks</i> sharable &#8211; this sort of activity might be one extension of what I&#8217;m suggesting. I&#8217;m really making a much simpler, less ambitious point about simple, user-controlled identifiers.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Wilson</title>
		<link>http://blog.paulwalk.net/2009/01/22/openid-and-name-authority/comment-page-1/#comment-337</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 21:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t this, essentially, what the Google Social Graph API does?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t this, essentially, what the Google Social Graph API does?</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; OLDaily por Stephen Downes, enero 22, 2009 TIC, E/A, PER&#8230;:</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#187; OLDaily por Stephen Downes, enero 22, 2009 TIC, E/A, PER&#8230;:</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 20:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] una, o más, personalidades públicas entonces no hay problemas de privacidad. Paul Walk, Weblog. [Liga] [etiquetas: Twitter, temas de privacidad, OpenID, DNI, cédula, Wikipedia, investigación, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] una, o más, personalidades públicas entonces no hay problemas de privacidad. Paul Walk, Weblog. [Liga] [etiquetas: Twitter, temas de privacidad, OpenID, DNI, cédula, Wikipedia, investigación, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Nicole Harris</title>
		<link>http://blog.paulwalk.net/2009/01/22/openid-and-name-authority/comment-page-1/#comment-344</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicole Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 15:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, is it a privacy issue?  You could still make use of the Twitter Direct Message facility even if you were using your OpenID.  I think it gets back to the age old problem of verification.  How do I know which Paul Walk, or which Jack Dee you are? http://access.jiscinvolve.org/2009/01/08/whos-twittering/.

If I use my OpenID as a common identifier and wish it be associated with me as an author, how and where does a repository or a reader or a publisher gain verification that I am who I say I am, I am the author you think I am, and that author should be associated with that identifier.

I don&#039;t actually think these problems are insurmountable, and can think of several ways that verification could happen from lightweight processes to more formal verification.  What I struggle with is how to get this adopted both in the very conservative research publishing process and across the myriad of repository approaches that are being adopted.

I do think a user owned personal identifier is much better than other solutions such as a government or institutionally focused approach.  I also think it is a good example of the importance of OpenID as an identifier, rather than getting bogged down in its applicability as an authentication device :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, is it a privacy issue?  You could still make use of the Twitter Direct Message facility even if you were using your OpenID.  I think it gets back to the age old problem of verification.  How do I know which Paul Walk, or which Jack Dee you are? <a href="http://access.jiscinvolve.org/2009/01/08/whos-twittering/" rel="nofollow">http://access.jiscinvolve.org/2009/01/08/whos-twittering/</a>.</p>
<p>If I use my OpenID as a common identifier and wish it be associated with me as an author, how and where does a repository or a reader or a publisher gain verification that I am who I say I am, I am the author you think I am, and that author should be associated with that identifier.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t actually think these problems are insurmountable, and can think of several ways that verification could happen from lightweight processes to more formal verification.  What I struggle with is how to get this adopted both in the very conservative research publishing process and across the myriad of repository approaches that are being adopted.</p>
<p>I do think a user owned personal identifier is much better than other solutions such as a government or institutionally focused approach.  I also think it is a good example of the importance of OpenID as an identifier, rather than getting bogged down in its applicability as an authentication device <img src='http://blog.paulwalk.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: paul</title>
		<link>http://blog.paulwalk.net/2009/01/22/openid-and-name-authority/comment-page-1/#comment-342</link>
		<dc:creator>paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 15:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Andy - and I understand your point about privacy.

Like you - I&#039;ve established a string (&#039;paulwalk&#039;) as a common identifier in a large number of systems.

I&#039;m going to be controversial here.... I chose my phrasing carefully. I think the best model for the future is the simplest - if it&#039;s public, then it&#039;s openly linkable, then it might as well be reliably identified. That is to say, &#039;public&#039; means exactly that. Stuff you restrict or control access to isn&#039;t public.

I appreciate that there are many shades of privacy - but &#039;public&#039; isn&#039;t a shade - it&#039;s an absolute in my book. If we conflate &#039;public&#039; with degrees of control of privacy in the same system then we end up with something like Facebook, where OpenID wouldn&#039;t make much impact difference as none of the content is publicly accessible.

I don&#039;t want to come across as some sort of crusading idealist, so I&#039;ll mention that I appreciate systems which have levels of privacy. Twitter is a great example - I use the Twitter direct message facility from time to time - this is a private messaging service and I use it in a private way. The fact that it&#039;s in the same system as the public Twitter service is a convenience but there isn&#039;t much of a link between these uses in real terms, and OpenID would have little impact here. However, OpenID would be very relevant if directly associated with my &lt;i&gt;public&lt;/i&gt; Twitter account.

So, I guess my position would be: if it&#039;s public and on the web, then actively help to make it linkable, sit back and enjoy the ride. If you don&#039;t want it to be public, then use a system with the appropriate controls. If you want to use OpenID in the private system, then we&#039;re talking about convenience again - worthwhile but hardly world-changing!

Somebody disagree with me, please! ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Andy &#8211; and I understand your point about privacy.</p>
<p>Like you &#8211; I&#8217;ve established a string (&#8217;paulwalk&#8217;) as a common identifier in a large number of systems.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to be controversial here&#8230;. I chose my phrasing carefully. I think the best model for the future is the simplest &#8211; if it&#8217;s public, then it&#8217;s openly linkable, then it might as well be reliably identified. That is to say, &#8216;public&#8217; means exactly that. Stuff you restrict or control access to isn&#8217;t public.</p>
<p>I appreciate that there are many shades of privacy &#8211; but &#8216;public&#8217; isn&#8217;t a shade &#8211; it&#8217;s an absolute in my book. If we conflate &#8216;public&#8217; with degrees of control of privacy in the same system then we end up with something like Facebook, where OpenID wouldn&#8217;t make much impact difference as none of the content is publicly accessible.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want to come across as some sort of crusading idealist, so I&#8217;ll mention that I appreciate systems which have levels of privacy. Twitter is a great example &#8211; I use the Twitter direct message facility from time to time &#8211; this is a private messaging service and I use it in a private way. The fact that it&#8217;s in the same system as the public Twitter service is a convenience but there isn&#8217;t much of a link between these uses in real terms, and OpenID would have little impact here. However, OpenID would be very relevant if directly associated with my <i>public</i> Twitter account.</p>
<p>So, I guess my position would be: if it&#8217;s public and on the web, then actively help to make it linkable, sit back and enjoy the ride. If you don&#8217;t want it to be public, then use a system with the appropriate controls. If you want to use OpenID in the private system, then we&#8217;re talking about convenience again &#8211; worthwhile but hardly world-changing!</p>
<p>Somebody disagree with me, please! <img src='http://blog.paulwalk.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Andy Powell</title>
		<link>http://blog.paulwalk.net/2009/01/22/openid-and-name-authority/comment-page-1/#comment-343</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Powell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 14:48:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can imagine people getting ready to play the &#039;privacy&#039; card as I write this but I totally agree with where you are coming from.  As I discussed in my case-study for our recent digital identity workshop, my digital identity is now largely defined by the string &#039;andypowe11&#039; whereas (in an ideal world) it would be defined by the URL/OpenID http://andypowe11.net/.

In the interests of keeping privacy concerns to a minimum, I&#039;d re-write the opening sentence of the final para as:

Imagine a Web where everything you did publicly was (optionally and under your control) linked by the very fact that you were represented by a URL...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can imagine people getting ready to play the &#8216;privacy&#8217; card as I write this but I totally agree with where you are coming from.  As I discussed in my case-study for our recent digital identity workshop, my digital identity is now largely defined by the string &#8216;andypowe11&#8242; whereas (in an ideal world) it would be defined by the URL/OpenID <a href="http://andypowe11.net/" rel="nofollow">http://andypowe11.net/</a>.</p>
<p>In the interests of keeping privacy concerns to a minimum, I&#8217;d re-write the opening sentence of the final para as:</p>
<p>Imagine a Web where everything you did publicly was (optionally and under your control) linked by the very fact that you were represented by a URL&#8230;</p>
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